Vsicks Pathy
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If COG is a concern then a BL is better. Only the boby goes up while the heavy gear like the chassis, engine, box, TC and fuel tank stay at standard hight.
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i'm just glad A SAS kit is finally going to be availiable.. i too wish i could have either all coils or all leafs.. but... again... FINALLY an SAS.. now the real ?... i'm still converting my pathy to 4WD ...i'm at the point of putting in the front diff.. lol or should i just wait for sas.. ah decisions decisions.. maybe a discusion for another post...
We all told you from the onset of your lust to have a 4wd Pathy to cut out the middle man and do a SAS. It would have been the cheaper, better option.
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how can you even say that in 20 years the IFS will suck? in theory they are much better, sure you can get articulation with a solid... but i still dont like the idea of seeing these massive fords on the road, huge lifts, with there little axles hanging down completely exposed, it looks stupid for one. Secondly, the IFS tucks your diff, up and out of the way, with a few setbacks its still amazing to have the ground clearance, the ford guys can only say they have body clearance, (only with bigger tires will they get true ground clearance) so i agree, that in twenty years IFS will be the sh!t
You may not have noticed that this is a Nissan Pathfinder site. Not a "huge Ford" site. So we don't have the issues Fords seem to have.
Yes IFS tucks you diff out of the way. Unfortunately by doing so it increases the angles on your CV joints. That inturn makes them easier to break. The boots wear out quickly letting in mud and dirt too. The lower wish bone will sit lower than any live axle too, so it is susceptible to regular damage. Do you want to talk steering component issues now?
I doubt if in 20 years time that we will see anything different to what we see today anyway. Desert racing 4wds are big $ modifications on a standard car, and I do not think the car manufactures will expect the average Joe to buy something like that or be able to justify the cost to the consumer.
Yes, tyre size equates to ground clearence but that is not all you need. Having said that, I would love to see 46" tyres on an IFS, though I doubt you could ever get them on or it would last too long. You forgot to mention ramp angles. Yes, the all important, can't wheel without them, ramp angles. There is no point having big tyres if you are too low to the ground is there? Suspension lift anyone? How lucky are those guys in their Fords. They can not only get massive ground clearence but they can get good ramp angles too. As good as you can get in a "huge Ford" anyway. Give me a live axle anyday.
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I think saying the IFS sucks because it is hard to lift is a bit strong...
99% of the time, an IFS is WAY superior to solid...
I know this is blasphemous to say on a 4x4 forum, but solid axles are actually a pretty poor solution for a number of reasons. The only advantage I can see is that they are easier and cheaper to install than a good IS.
Give it another 20 years and we'll all wonder what we were thinking... and why inertia had us believing it was the best way to go for so long...
The Hummer (the real one) and serious baja style race trucks are a preview into what could be done. So far, production IFS's have been compromised because the manufacturers have been using "traditional" concepts and geometries that severely limit travel.
So here's a glimpse into the future....
Take a close look at the rear suspension of a BMW GS1150 or 1200 motorcycle.
Envision 4 of those on a truck - two pointing to the rear, two to the front. The ones up front get a little more complicated due to steering, but a variation on the hummer concept of a high mounted input shaft and gear drive to center hub will solve that... Notice, no differentials hanging down to snag and break on rocks. True 4 wheel IFS. According to my models, 30" of travel is feasible with minimal geometry problems... And with active suspension technology, it could be as safe on the streets as any average car, yet more capable off road than the most extreme rock buggies...
The only preventers from it happening today are the costs to develop and the perception that most serious offroaders still believe SA's are superior to IS. And no company is going to invest millions to develop a product the target customer will reject out of hand with no consideration that they could be wrong...
I understand the military really wanted to reject the humvee because the suspension was so different, but they were trapped into accepting it because the contract was based on performance, not perception.
IFS suck 99.99% of the time. On road, fine but off road they are sh!t. There is no point talking about how good they will be in 20 yrs time. This is now. And even in 20 years time, I still think a live axle will out articulate an IFS front end.
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I would love to know what you were doing to snap that thing.............
I was 4wding.
And this one.
There were other times too but I didn't have a camera.
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Man i knew that the nissans frount end suck and all but now i really hate them for it.
After reading this topic i am serisosly considering selling my truck and getting a car with a Solid axle there is just far to much money involved lifting these damn things. I would mind so much if i lived in the states then i would have access to all the after market parts but living in Australia the price with shipping and all blows way out of my budget.
After how much body lift do you have to adjust your steering shaft.
I was about to buy some 2ich blocks this weekend but if i have to adjust the steering i might just pay for someone to do it
Not only that, most of the LH drive stuff will not fit your Pahty anyway.
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OK I hate to quibble with Dowser but there is more to a body lift than just putting it on, you have to modify your 4x4 shifter, and you have to modify your steering column. However that is cheaper than suspension lift. Also if you upsize your tires you're going to have to beef up your steering, you're at least going to have to add an idler arm maybe more. Of course problems such as this go along with any vehicle, if you want to play you have to pay right! -bounce-
If yo ureally want to play then you put in a SAS.
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LMAO......
I beleive it is a unanimous opinion that thorleys are the best....
Calmini also for SL... I dont know one for TrailMaster.
Also stock with good tires makes a great light wheeler, Depends on where you want to go and what you want to do......
I am going to go against the mainstream and say that a body lift is not only cheaper, but the prefered lift to do if you just want to do fun stuff and nothing to serious off road. My reasoning is as follows....
With a 3" body lift you can up size tyres, you can fit 32's as with a suspension lift, but you will not effect the angle of your steering components. Thus when you wheel you are less likely to break something. I am not saying you will not, but compared to a suspension lift...... Well there is no comparing.
If you want to do a suspension lift then be prepared to spend lots of $$$$$ to get your steering strong enough to handle the angles your steering components will be on.
There is no such thing as a stupid question either.
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pics?
What Steve said.
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Something like this?
I was supprised to still find this one laying around. I had heaps like this and thought they were all gone.
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Ice is also hard to drive on at the best of times. It can be good fun though can't it?
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Good score and a fine looking job too. The bar suits your Pathy well also, if I may say.
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Good idea !!
Better range and more outrage when you fill her up...
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Yeah, not looking forward to that.
An extra 20ltrs will go along way though.
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stevey - i HAD a five speed....
he is also right - im 1000000% i have 4.8's, just the same as stevewa double checked the 4.3's.
as for the turbo diesel terranos, i have a close friend with one and his is 4.6 which is sort of strange, being diesel and all, is sort of makes me think the diesel terranos have different gear box ratios prehaps.
There should be as many diff ratios as there are different box ratios. Makes food for thought on end ratios Steve. Something to help you with you fuel consumtion perhaps?
By the way, what have you decided on that score?
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It's from South Africa but it applies to everyone. Have a read.
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArtic...1645&fSetId=381
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I am putting in a Patrol fuel tank as soon as I loose the half a tank of go go juice that is in there. It is 90 ltrs as opposed to the Pathy tank that is just over 68 ltrs.
The Pathy tank is on the left, the Patrol tank is on the right.
The top section of the Patrol tank is exactly the same as the Pathfinder. The bottom section is a lot more square and deeper. I have the bash plate to suit and a Patrol sender unit, though the Pathy one will fit. I will not use it because under half a tank it plays up!
Just something else to do to pass the time.
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My friend hasnt paid yet. but he is gonna some how or another. I didnt mention i was honking telling him to stop did i? Well yeah i honked 3 times before laying on the horn when he hit me.
Don't tell us anymore. It only make me more angry for you. "If" you ever get paid I hope that common sense will kick in and you will avoid your supposed 'mate' like the plague.
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I'm not worried about breaking anything on my truck while pulling someone out when all 4 tires are on sand. On sand I dought you could get enough traction to actually break something on a capable 4x4.
Thats why I put getting bogged yourself at number one. It would have been ironic if you got bogged with the tide coming in and a ton of guys just standing around waiting to see wich Pathy floated the longest. Lets be honest here. Sand is soft and you were pulling a dead weight of at least 1800kg. Now add to that the fact that his car was "stuck bad" and that alone might add another ton to the pulling weight, you took a huge risk.
I am not a risk taker, not like that anyway.
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Yep my 95XE has HG43...
V6, you sure SW didn't just miss read the 3 for an 8, he seems to be the only oddity here...
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He is 1000% (not a typo) sure.
http://npora.ipbhost.com//index.php?showto...t=0entry67878
Quote from SW.
"theres a chance the diff ratio's may be 4.6 OR 4.8. i have 4.8. the way to tell is to look on the id plate at the trans axle number. the last four digits wil be hg46 or hg48. hg46 being 4.6 ratios and hg48 being 4.8 ratios."
Quote from tbecktold.
"Also, the 4.8 gears are EXTREMELY rare in the U.S. in the (W)D21 vehicles; I have heard of ONE Hardbody here in the States with the 4.8 gears."
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I have a 5 speed and I have 4.6
SW has a 5 speed and he has a 4.8
SteveWA also has a 5 speed and his has 4.3
Go figure?
I want to know the ratios of both TD and Diesel Pathies/Terranos too now.
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My 92XE has 43
95SE has 46
Both are auto's
Is the 95 an R50?
If thats so then it doesn't count. it's not a real pathfinder.
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I believe 5 speeds have the 4.3 ratio and automatics have the 4.6 ratio.
I have a 5 speed and I have 4.6
SW has a 5 speed and he has a 4.8
SteveWA also has a 5 speed and his has 4.3
Go figure?
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he claimed he locked them up but it didnt stop. I knew he was full of @!*% because he was on hard ground with weeds on top. I know if he hit the brakes he would have stopped.
Your arsehole mate has paid for the damage I hope.
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....like....fell asleep with their foot planted to the floor.
That would be the only explanation I would consider. I know he'd be asleep after it that's for sure.
calmini sas
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SHHHH! Filthy. He is going to kick his own arse so hard for not putting in a live axle.
He did have his reasons for doing it the way he did. I was just perplexed as to why he posed the idea of a SAS at this point in time.